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Title: Baseball Games
Post by: Calandale on July 11, 2014, 08:41:59 pm
Okay, Strat-o-matic is the gorilla here, and there are a bunch of clones,
but what interesting designs are out there?

I remember Pennant Race, the AH game which put you in the shoes
of a GM, running each game off a single die roll. The focus was supposed
to be on the trades and such. Problem is, there wasn't really a system for
the game to go beyond the initial roster - eventually a computer game
(the name eludes me but I played the **** out of it) handled it much better -
well, other than women, robots, and aliens eventually playing.

Baseball Strategy (again AH) felt more like the old video gamess where you
got to select a pitch and choose to swing at it. Couldn't really compete with
those, once they came out.

I remember ads for a game where it looked like you could position the players on the
field, and tracked individual hits by location - well, at least that's what the description
sounded like, it was probably not so impressive.


Title: Re: Baseball Games
Post by: kira1y on July 11, 2014, 09:10:47 pm
The only board game one I ever played was the strat-o-matic one. The one computer game I played the hell out of in the late 80s early 90s was Earl Weaver Baseball which, if I remember correctly, allowed you to play out entire seasons rather quickly in one of the provided modes...


Title: Re: Baseball Games
Post by: Calandale on July 11, 2014, 11:40:43 pm
Baseball Mogul's the one I was thinking of.


Title: Re: Baseball Games
Post by: sparty on July 12, 2014, 09:14:58 am
If you're looking of the kind of that today ... Out of the Park Baseball is insanely good!


Title: Re: Baseball Games
Post by: Rockhopper on July 12, 2014, 04:42:54 pm
If you're looking of the kind of that today ... Out of the Park Baseball is insanely good!

Word up. I probably played through 20-25 seasons with OOTP 6.5 alone. I think 15 is on sale right now for the all star game. It kinda got a bit too detailed for me so I fell out of it.

Back in the 80's I made my own boardgames for both baseball and football. Actually, they were really just spreadsheets and charts. For both games, each player simply picked a play or pitch and dice were rolled on a chart for the results of the interaction. Individual players had a couple of attributes that modified the rolls.


Title: Re: Baseball Games
Post by: revmidni on July 14, 2014, 07:16:45 pm
OOTP 15 is a great choice for Pc gaming. It running 20 bucks on steam right now. For the table top I perfer History Maker Baseball by plaay.com. It gives you much more of a story while playing.
Revmidni


Title: Re: Baseball Games
Post by: Rockhopper on July 14, 2014, 07:54:29 pm
For the table top I perfer History Maker Baseball by plaay.com. It gives you much more of a story while playing.
Revmidni

Dude, thanks for the heads up on this. They've got some cool looking games.


Title: Re: Baseball Games
Post by: kira1y on July 14, 2014, 08:26:29 pm
[For the table top I perfer History Maker Baseball by plaay.com. It gives you much more of a story while playing.[
FFS, now I HAVE to buy Hockey Blast!


Title: Re: Baseball Games
Post by: Rockhopper on July 14, 2014, 08:53:59 pm
[For the table top I perfer History Maker Baseball by plaay.com. It gives you much more of a story while playing.[
FFS, now I HAVE to buy Hockey Blast!

Yep. I just bought Second Season Football. Revmidni deserves a commission.  ;D


Title: Re: Baseball Games
Post by: baczyz on July 14, 2014, 10:32:28 pm
Not well known as OOTP is Puresim. I prefer it to Ootp. It gets detailed but doent turn into a micromanagementfest.

For football its FrontOfficeFootball..

And for tabletop theres a pretty damn good remake of Statis Pro football called Football Bones.


Title: Re: Baseball Games
Post by: Kreator82 on July 15, 2014, 08:53:17 pm
I wouuld probably, literally, end someones life, just for the chance to play a real honest to goodness hockey sim board game. I have had no luck so far in finding a truly great sports board game. I always find them so abstracted, that they make me lose interest due to not being fun enough to be a game, or being real enough to appeal to the massive sports fan in me.


Title: Re: Baseball Games
Post by: Calandale on July 16, 2014, 01:24:13 pm
This damned thread got me playing baseball mogul again.


Title: Re: Baseball Games
Post by: The Great Kha on July 16, 2014, 01:59:09 pm
This damned thread got me playing baseball mogul again.

Try Out of the Park Baseball.

It's a thousand times better, and the custom leagues you can create push it to the pinnacle of computer sport simulation.


Title: Re: Baseball Games
Post by: baczyz on July 16, 2014, 02:21:40 pm
This damned thread got me playing baseball mogul again.

Yeah, I went and bought BM 2015 last night because of this thread


Title: Re: Baseball Games
Post by: Calandale on July 16, 2014, 03:09:37 pm
I'm mostly into the old timers in it, so it's fine to play older versions for me.


Title: Re: Baseball Games
Post by: severn8212 on July 16, 2014, 05:58:35 pm
Strat is my fav...used to play Statis Pro Baseball (card driven, no dice) by AH

Bill
Baltimore MD


Title: Re: Baseball Games
Post by: Calandale on July 16, 2014, 06:27:13 pm
Statis Pro feels like a Strat clone too though, even with the cards.
Just another way of generating the random numbers.

My biggie was longball - another clone. Mainly because I got it first, and loved the one year I had
(probably the only one that came out).


Title: Re: Baseball Games
Post by: baczyz on July 16, 2014, 11:24:16 pm
I'm mostly into the old timers in it, so it's fine to play older versions for me.

I like to start in 1901 and see what happens....

Very rarely do I try a modern game.



Title: Re: Baseball Games
Post by: Calandale on July 16, 2014, 11:26:41 pm
The game used to have a flaw where pitchers became unhittable for a few decades.
I don't know if they've fixed that in the recent version. It was kinda neat to watch
though - I'd imagine that they were using psychic powers to make the ball jump around.


Title: Re: Baseball Games
Post by: The Great Kha on July 17, 2014, 01:23:23 am
A neat thing in Out of the Park Baseball is random debut where you start in any year you want and every year it introduces players from every point in baseball's history. You can start with an inaugural draft too, so you can have Babe Ruth, Nolan Ryan, and Mike Trout on the same team going against Derek Jeter, Mickey Mantle, and Honus Wagner. It can be quite amusing.


Title: Re: Baseball Games
Post by: Rockhopper on July 17, 2014, 11:45:47 am
A neat thing in Out of the Park Baseball is random debut where you start in any year you want and every year it introduces players from every point in baseball's history. You can start with an inaugural draft too, so you can have Babe Ruth, Nolan Ryan, and Mike Trout on the same team going against Derek Jeter, Mickey Mantle, and Honus Wagner. It can be quite amusing.

This is indeed a great way to play. The game will automatically introduce expansion teams, league realignments, team moves and changes, financial changes, everything. I had a blast starting a league in 1901 once, I think I played until 1918 or something like that.


Title: Re: Baseball Games
Post by: The Great Kha on July 18, 2014, 12:03:07 am
Note you can get last year's version of OOTP for whatever you wish to pay right now:

https://www.humblebundle.com/weekly


Title: Re: Baseball Games
Post by: Rockhopper on July 18, 2014, 10:00:25 am
Note you can get last year's version of OOTP for whatever you wish to pay right now:

https://www.humblebundle.com/weekly

Cool, thanks for heads-up.


Title: Re: Baseball Games
Post by: sparty on July 18, 2014, 02:56:53 pm
OOTP allows you to play any season with the real players which is a huge boon.


Title: Re: Baseball Games
Post by: Calandale on July 18, 2014, 02:59:12 pm
How's the trading AI?

Baseball Mogul's was **** in the olden days, but it's gotten fairly reasonable.

I'm using '12 though, and the AI GMs seem unable to manage their money terribly well.



It also pisses me off that the modern free agency is in place from the beginning.


Title: Re: Baseball Games
Post by: desertfoxleo on July 20, 2014, 01:00:59 pm
For the PC, I love Baseball Mogul - played a number of seasons, and might pick it up again.

For boardgaming, my favorite was Statis Pro - I liked some of the random event things that could happen, like a game called because of a severe weather warning (might have actually said "tornado warning", but I'd have to check). I also had the Statis Pro basketball game, and played that quite a bit, back in the day (late 70's, early 80's). I also have SI's Baseball game, which had team charts somewhat like their football game, Paydirt. I liked it, but Statis Pro is better. I was certainly aware of Stratomatic, but I just never pulled the trigger on it - I probably should have, as I'm sure I would have loved it. In general, back then, I liked sports games at least as much as wargames. These days, I don't play them as much, but if someone were willing, I'd still sit down to one.


Title: Re: Baseball Games
Post by: S Trauth on July 22, 2014, 04:52:02 pm
The one I played most was AH's Statis-Pro Baseball - I think I had the 1983 and 1984 seasons (possibly the 1985 one - not sure). I was a frustrated Cubs' fan at the time. I think my brother and one of his friends had Strat-o-matic -it was I guess sort of a clone of SoM - but one thing that Statis-Pro did, was (iirc) not use dice.

Not part of the thread- but I spent most of my sports gaming (SoM in particular) with their hockey game -which I imagine is pretty similar in mechanics.


Title: Re: Baseball Games
Post by: NthPower on July 26, 2014, 03:18:33 am
I used to play tons of Pursue the Pennant back in early/mid 90s.  We used to draft teams and have tournaments.  We would keep stats of all our players and post leaderboards.  Good times.
I think we stopped shortly after it became Dynasty League Baseball.

I've enjoyed Replay baseball on the PC, although never delved too deeply into it.  Mostly just played some quick series or pick up games.
I've been tempted to pick up a new version of OOTP.  I haven't really played it since version 8 or 9. 


Title: Re: Baseball Games
Post by: Carl Marl on July 26, 2014, 07:42:37 am
When I lived in Madison, Wisconsin, the group I gamed with set up a league with Statis Pro Baseball and we drafted our own teams. Each player had a card so you could do that. Everybody had their own style in playing the games. One guy had a lineup full of base stealers and would run at every opportunity. Another loved to hit and run all the time. I loaded my lineup with power hitters and high on base percentage guys and waited for big innings. My team won my division but lost the championship, by the way.

The way we did the draft was all the players were sorted by position into piles and you would blindly draw a player by position. When that was over you could trade players before league play actually started. We didn't have budgets or anything like that.

It was fun but we only did it the one time, except there was a Statis Pro football league too.


Title: Re: Baseball Games
Post by: sparty on July 26, 2014, 07:32:04 pm
How's the trading AI?

Baseball Mogul's was **** in the olden days, but it's gotten fairly reasonable.

It's quite good. 

What's kind of cool as well is that players have ratings for their mood which can affect the team and trade conditions.  It can affect their willingness to take an early contract extension.  Playing time can affect their mood as can salaries and benefits.

The financial model within OOTP is probably the most detailed and dynamic I've ever seen. 

You can snag a pitcher who gets a base salary of $1,500,000 per year for a 5 year deal and then structure the incentive packages for things like 100 K's in a season gets you another $500,000 and winning the Cy Young is another $250,000 and so on for various longevity/health and stat categories.  Ultimately, building you a lot of salary / compensation flexibility into the FA negotiation market.  It's a lot of fun to play with it.


Title: Re: Baseball Games
Post by: Calandale on July 26, 2014, 07:37:03 pm
Does OOTP handle the pre free-agent market well?


Title: Re: Baseball Games
Post by: The Great Kha on July 26, 2014, 07:45:23 pm
Does OOTP handle the pre free-agent market well?

There are reserve clause rules, but I've never played with them. From what I understand it does a good job at simulating baseball's history.


Title: Re: Baseball Games
Post by: sparty on July 26, 2014, 07:51:09 pm
Does OOTP handle the pre free-agent market well?

Any contract structure that's in actual baseball can be created in the game.

For example, you could go all Dave Dombrowski and DESPITE Cabrera having 3 years left on his contract ... and DESPITE him being in his 30s .... you could offer him a 10 year contract extension that would make him the highest paid player in baseball history...

In OOTP - you might be forced to make such an extreme decision if a player's perception is that other teams have greater salary cap to work within and they could stand to get paid more elsewhere.

The financials portion of the game is pretty mindblowing.  I haven't experienced all of what's out there, but it's worth a quick lurk over at the OOTP forums to see how people's franchises are going because the diversity of situations and outcomes are seriously interesting to read about and watch.


Title: Re: Baseball Games
Post by: Calandale on July 27, 2014, 05:53:42 am
New thread: http://thegamebox.gamesontables.com/index.php?topic=37.0