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Title: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: Calandale on July 14, 2014, 09:00:49 pm
Okay look, BGG is an outstanding resource. The DB, geekslists, marketplace,  auctions, and all that are really wonderful
(well - geekslists got pretty heavily damaged with the recent changes).

All the same, as a forum it has some serious issues. The red-x's; y'all know how much
relying on that kind of tattling behavior pisses me off. Worse, it's just lazy when something
like 'fanboi' is perfectly fine in most circumstances, until some large group (no one person was
referenced in any way) decides they don't like being called that collectively.

Having to pay for your damned avvie. Come on. The avatar is an important part of your
forum presence. Same goes for the badge. Microbadges? Those are cool because you're
paying someone who made it for you. Not real 'money' you say? People sell GG on auctions.
People buy it direct from the site. Sure, someone will be kind enough to donate if you beg -
but it's just bullshit.

That it's a business. This is the root of a lot of it. The money grubbing of the GG,
and even more, not wanting things to have a chance of degenerating (but not willing
to actually monitor the site directly). At heart, to me, anything done as a business
really gets ruined by that simple fact. The best that can be done is to hide from
the reality of it; to pretend that it all means something more than some bucks in
someone's pocket. Yeah, I know in this world that's what has to be; but when it
rears its head blatantly, it just sucks.


Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: usrlocal on July 14, 2014, 09:11:39 pm
BGG has some sort of instant gratification thing that gets addictive. I blame the thumbs and the GG!   ;D

But, as of late, the Wargames General forum getting tedious. I think AWOL is still ok, but that's just because it's mostly ignored by those whose opinions don't matter to me.   :D


Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: Rockhopper on July 14, 2014, 09:22:42 pm
We've become a society of the Offended. Offending someone is quickly becoming the worst sin anyone can do. Somehow, making someone feel bad is akin to murder.

Donald Sterling tells his **** home wrecker in a private phone call not to hang out with black folks. All hell breaks loose, with people using adjectives that used to be reserved for things like, oh I don't know, child **** and genocide.

"Absolutely disgusting!"
"Reprehensible!"
"Staggeringly criminal behavior!"

Atheists get bent out of shape if someone prays at a town meeting, and Christians freak out and make themselves into God when someone curses nearby.

My Redskins will fold soon enough. The Braves, Indians, Seminoles, Blackhawks, will follow.

Tolerance! Stupid Coexist bumper stickers! Yeah.

The Mighty Red-X rules all.

I'm gonna go flip over a Prius, be right back.


Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: usrlocal on July 14, 2014, 09:51:49 pm
I think the problem is that these days it's very easy to shut off or tune out anyone who offends you. We're therefore losing the ability to mediate confrontations with each other. Everything escalates instead. Road rage is a perfect example. Everyone is in their little car bubble, and if someone does something to **** off another driver, everyone gets all operatic about it. It's kinda weird and disturbing at the same time.


Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: egg_salad on July 14, 2014, 09:52:56 pm
We've become a society of the Offended. Offending someone is quickly becoming the worst sin anyone can do. Somehow, making someone feel bad is akin to murder.

Donald Sterling tells his **** home wrecker in a private phone call not to hang out with black folks. All hell breaks loose, with people using adjectives that used to be reserved for things like, oh I don't know, child **** and genocide.

"Absolutely disgusting!"
"Reprehensible!"
"Staggeringly criminal behavior!"

Atheists get bent out of shape if someone prays at a town meeting, and Christians freak out and make themselves into God when someone curses nearby.

My Redskins will fold soon enough. The Braves, Indians, Seminoles, Blackhawks, will follow.

Tolerance! Stupid Coexist bumper stickers! Yeah.

The Mighty Red-X rules all.

I'm gonna go flip over a Prius, be right back.

This offends me. 


Not really, just going for 10 posts.


Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: Calandale on July 14, 2014, 09:53:35 pm
We've become a society of the Offended. Offending someone is quickly becoming the worst sin anyone can do. Somehow, making someone feel bad is akin to murder.

But somehow it's fine to offend people by telling them they can't speak?  :-\

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Donald Sterling tells his **** home wrecker in a private phone call not to hang out with black folks. All hell breaks loose, with people using adjectives that used to be reserved for things like, oh I don't know, child **** and genocide.

It's especially disturbing to me given the apparent context there. I mean, I
really think she was free to fuck whom she chose within their relationship,
but was rubbing it in his face or something.




Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: anarchy on July 14, 2014, 09:59:02 pm
The proper solution to speech that you dislike is to ignore it or counter it with more speech. It takes way too much energy to get offended and go running around screaming at the world.


Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: kira1y on July 14, 2014, 10:00:54 pm
Atheists get bent out of shape if someone prays at a town meeting.
I just roll out a prayer mat towards Mecca during Jesus time, seems to get the point across. Of course I'm a fun atheist.  ;D


Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: usrlocal on July 14, 2014, 10:07:06 pm
I just roll out a prayer mat towards Mecca during Jesus time, seems to get the point across. Of course I'm a fun atheist.  ;D

So you got Friday and Sunday covered then. On Saturday might I suggest muttering at a wall?


Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: Calandale on July 14, 2014, 10:08:04 pm
What I hate is when I get drunk and try to have sex with anything that moves,
and people get upset with me for worshiping Bacchus.

I've learned to stop starting official meetings that way.


Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: usrlocal on July 14, 2014, 10:09:30 pm
What I hate is when I get drunk and try to have sex with anything that moves,
and people get upset with me for worshiping Bacchus.

They're just upset at your sloppy technique.


Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: Calandale on July 14, 2014, 10:17:43 pm
I didn't think it was important to stand on formalities on the farm. :(


Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: Doriath on July 15, 2014, 01:17:12 am
My two cents on this issue - Sterling is the homewrecker (the responsibility for maintaining a marriage falls solely on those actually in it), and he has a long history of being a slumlord and making much worse racist comments about his tenants, and then intentionally failing to provide the basic services he was contractually obligated to as the landlord. On top of that, he failed in his contractual obligations as a NBA owner not to make the NBA look bad to the point of cutting into their profits, which he failed at. His free speech is fine, the government didn't step in to say he couldn't say racist things and throw him in jail; the company he was a part of didn't want his actions damaging their profits, and so they cut him out and paid him a boatload of cash. People are free to criticize the NBA's decisions and choose to watch other sports where Donald Sterling could still participate. Yay America.

I'd say his behavior was accurately characterized as reprehensible and disgusting - as far as criminal that phone call itself didn't reveal anything AFAIK.



Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: Calandale on July 15, 2014, 01:45:29 am
...and he has a long history of being a slumlord and making much worse racist comments about his tenants, and then intentionally failing to provide the basic services he was contractually obligated to as the landlord. ....


This is the part that I dislike the most. But, it's the phone call which caused the actions.

That's just bs. As a society, we should worry about what has real effects.


Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: Rockhopper on July 15, 2014, 06:35:44 am
I'd say his behavior was accurately characterized as reprehensible and disgusting...

Oh he has no class, I agree with that. I was just pointing out the ludicrousness of the media and various Offended Parties using extreme terms that left little room for truly disgusting things.


Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: KevinR on July 15, 2014, 11:50:24 am
Another plus for here as compared to BGG -- the work firewall blocks URLs with "games" but not "game".

As for BGG -- they have a fantastic database (and I appreciate all the users who provide that data), but the administration leaves quite a bit to be desired.  They're still getting money from me, but I'm seriously questioning it with the gratutious damage they've done to GeekLists (I'd already cut my donation based on poor forum moderation and horrible news judgment, but they might end up with a token penny this year).


Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: stemcider on July 15, 2014, 04:34:31 pm
...and he has a long history of being a slumlord and making much worse racist comments about his tenants, and then intentionally failing to provide the basic services he was contractually obligated to as the landlord. ....


This is the part that I dislike the most. But, it's the phone call which caused the actions.

That's just bs. As a society, we should worry about what has real effects.

Apparently, he knew he was being recorded. Its said that he asked for it because hes losing his mind and wanted to record his thoughts. That's why the recording sounds like an interview rather than an argument.

I'd say his behavior was accurately characterized as reprehensible and disgusting...

Oh he has no class, I agree with that. I was just pointing out the ludicrousness of the media and various Offended Parties using extreme terms that left little room for truly disgusting things.

It is truly disgusting though. That kind of plantation owner mentality is truly disgusting. He made Baron Davis lose his love for the game because he would regularly bring his cronies into the locker room so they could look at their "beautiful black bodies" and show them off like race horses. That's pretty disgusting if you ask me.


Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: Calandale on July 15, 2014, 04:43:24 pm


It is truly disgusting though. That kind of plantation owner mentality is truly disgusting. He made Baron Davis lose his love for the game because he would regularly bring his cronies into the locker room so they could look at their "beautiful black bodies" and show them off like race horses. That's pretty disgusting if you ask me.


Yet the SI swimsuit issue, and playboy magazine are all about that?

I dunno. It seems to me that people are all just pretty fucked up,
and if we could tolerate more of their foibles, the world would be better.

I'm only really upset about what actually hurts people. Like being a
lousy slumlord. I'd have no problem with the New York Degos, Boston
Micks, or Atlanta Niggers as team names. I see no harm to some
old fart treating people like farm animals. I DO however see something
very wrong with the monopolistic setup of the major sports leagues;
that does real harm.


Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: stemcider on July 15, 2014, 05:47:29 pm


It is truly disgusting though. That kind of plantation owner mentality is truly disgusting. He made Baron Davis lose his love for the game because he would regularly bring his cronies into the locker room so they could look at their "beautiful black bodies" and show them off like race horses. That's pretty disgusting if you ask me.


Yet the SI swimsuit issue, and playboy magazine are all about that?

I dunno. It seems to me that people are all just pretty fucked up,
and if we could tolerate more of their foibles, the world would be better.

I'm only really upset about what actually hurts people. Like being a
lousy slumlord. I'd have no problem with the New York Degos, Boston
Micks, or Atlanta Niggers as team names. I see no harm to some
old fart treating people like farm animals. I DO however see something
very wrong with the monopolistic setup of the major sports leagues;
that does real harm.

Comparing Donald Sterling to Playboy is ridiculous.

Defending Sterling's behavior is also ridiculous. No matter the angle you take.

Is it as a big a deal as the media made it out to be? Probably not. But what is?


Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: The Grinch on July 15, 2014, 06:45:04 pm
We've become a society of the Offended. Offending someone is quickly becoming the worst sin anyone can do. Somehow, making someone feel bad is akin to murder.

Donald Sterling tells his **** home wrecker in a private phone call not to hang out with black folks. All hell breaks loose, with people using adjectives that used to be reserved for things like, oh I don't know, child **** and genocide.

"Absolutely disgusting!"
"Reprehensible!"
"Staggeringly criminal behavior!"

Atheists get bent out of shape if someone prays at a town meeting, and Christians freak out and make themselves into God when someone curses nearby.

My Redskins will fold soon enough. The Braves, Indians, Seminoles, Blackhawks, will follow.

Tolerance! Stupid Coexist bumper stickers! Yeah.

The Mighty Red-X rules all.

I'm gonna go flip over a Prius, be right back.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_KijgS9tqTzs/S87smT0SKZI/AAAAAAAAGjw/QKib_Vfepqg/s400/thumbs-up.jpg)


Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: The Grinch on July 15, 2014, 06:54:23 pm
I took the general forum off my main menu and am much happier for it.  I'm getting ready to take the wargame forum off too, after the whole "what is a wargame" fiasco.  Especially after one of the worst offenders made a point about how the question was a platform to "behave in an obnoxious manner".  This coming from a guy that might well have earned himself a fat lip for saying what he said in person.   ::)  Oh well, thanks for letting me vent.


Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: Calandale on July 15, 2014, 07:11:20 pm


It is truly disgusting though. That kind of plantation owner mentality is truly disgusting. He made Baron Davis lose his love for the game because he would regularly bring his cronies into the locker room so they could look at their "beautiful black bodies" and show them off like race horses. That's pretty disgusting if you ask me.


Yet the SI swimsuit issue, and playboy magazine are all about that?

I dunno. It seems to me that people are all just pretty fucked up,
and if we could tolerate more of their foibles, the world would be better.

I'm only really upset about what actually hurts people. Like being a
lousy slumlord. I'd have no problem with the New York Degos, Boston
Micks, or Atlanta Niggers as team names. I see no harm to some
old fart treating people like farm animals. I DO however see something
very wrong with the monopolistic setup of the major sports leagues;
that does real harm.

Comparing Donald Sterling to Playboy is ridiculous.



Treating people as objects doesn't strike me as significantly different.

Women or Blacks, it's the same thing.



Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: Nigel66 on July 19, 2014, 04:20:56 am
We've become a society of the Offended. Offending someone is quickly becoming the worst sin anyone can do. Somehow, making someone feel bad is akin to murder.

This pretty much sums up my feelings on the subject...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqPcjm-X5GQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqPcjm-X5GQ)



Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: Robin Hoodlum on July 19, 2014, 06:58:58 am

I'm gonna go flip over a Prius, be right back.
Need some help?


Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: Mike Dorrish on July 19, 2014, 09:50:36 am
This is all very droll   ::)


Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: Rockhopper on July 19, 2014, 10:16:54 am
This is all very droll   ::)

Shouldn't you be using 3 or 4 more paragraphs to communicate that to us?  ;D


Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: moujamou on July 19, 2014, 10:24:06 am
We've become a society of the Offended. Offending someone is quickly becoming the worst sin anyone can do. Somehow, making someone feel bad is akin to murder.

This pretty much sums up my feelings on the subject...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqPcjm-X5GQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqPcjm-X5GQ)



If I recall correctly, Christopher Hitchens said something along the lines of  "When someone tells me they are offended, I'm still waiting to hear what the problem is."


Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: Calandale on July 19, 2014, 11:03:10 am
This is all very droll   ::)

Shouldn't you be using 3 or 4 more paragraphs to communicate that to us?  ;D

Here, he doesn't have to hide all that he has to say with mindless
blather, in order to avoid being banned.

But yeah, that's about what it always amounts to.



Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: ermj1986 on July 19, 2014, 11:19:46 am
who is Mike Dorrish.

I know who Michael Dorosh is (sorry to say). Ooops. Will I be banned?


Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: Mike Dorrish on July 19, 2014, 11:52:20 am
I found this poll on BGG . I believe it refers to Calendale. On the money I would say!!  :)

Poll: What is this thread?

What is this thread?
     Your Answer         Vote Percent    Vote Count
A cesspool of stupid    
   
   28.3%    15
Blatant purposeless trolling    
   
   41.5%      22
Serious discussion unfortunately degenerated    
   
   7.5%    4
Good reading from start to finish    
   
   7.5%    4
Other    
   
   15.1%    8
   Voters    53
  53 answers
Poll created by Michael Dorosh
Closes: Thu Jul 31, 2014 1:00 am


The results so far are interesting. Note that at the time of this writing there is only 1 response for the third option. I will point out that this option is stated in the OP's own words. By contrast, as it sits now, about 80% of respondents appear to think the thread is either "a cesspool of stupid" or trolling, and in fact a majority (>50%) have interpreted it is a blatant attempt to rile people. Not sure what the 2 "other" votes represent unless they choose to post what they mean.


Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: Calandale on July 19, 2014, 12:12:36 pm
who is Mike Dorrish.

I know who Michael Dorosh is (sorry to say). Ooops. Will I be banned?

I'm assuming he can't even spell his own name when not given sufficient words to follow it with.


OR, he's too chickenpoopie to allow search engines to connect this. Image.


Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: The Grinch on July 19, 2014, 12:32:21 pm
The Dorosh has his uses.  When I find myself agreeing with him, I check myself and usually find I'm wrong. :D


Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: Carl Marl on July 19, 2014, 12:46:55 pm
The BGG admin is so worried all the time that someone is going to be offended. Are they just politically correct or are they worried they could get sued?

I have been a patron in the past, but not last year and not in the future. The trend towards censorship by banning people for nothing has put me off. I will continue to use the site for reference, but the community over there isn't what is used to be.


Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: Calandale on July 19, 2014, 12:47:32 pm
Someone likes the negative karma button. :D

They're fun to push.


Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: anarchy on July 19, 2014, 01:03:04 pm
The Dorosh has his uses.  When I find myself agreeing with him, I check myself and usually find I'm wrong. :D

One of my old bosses was like that. We called him the "reverse compass" or some such. Whatever decision he made, we did the opposite and it always worked out.


Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: Nigel66 on July 19, 2014, 01:58:30 pm
I found this poll on BGG . I believe it refers to Calendale.

Poll created by Michael Dorosh
Closes: Thu Jul 31, 2014 1:00 am

You really are a pathetic, fatuous little man.


Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: weateallthepies on July 19, 2014, 02:19:24 pm
We've become a society of the Offended. Offending someone is quickly becoming the worst sin anyone can do. Somehow, making someone feel bad is akin to murder.

This pretty much sums up my feelings on the subject...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqPcjm-X5GQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqPcjm-X5GQ)



Yup.

Philip Pullman also sums up my feelings:
Quote
"It was a shocking thing to say and I knew it was a shocking thing to say. But no one has the right to live without being shocked. No one has the right to spend their life without being offended. Nobody has to read this book. Nobody has to pick it up. Nobody has to open it. And if you open it and read it, you don't have to like it. And if you read it and you dislike it, you don't have to remain silent about it. You can write to me, you can complain about it, you can write to the publisher, you can write to the papers, you can write your own book. You can do all those things, but there your rights stop. No one has the right to stop me writing this book. No one has the right to stop it being published, or bought, or sold or read. That's all I have to say on that subject."


Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: pnpfanatic on July 19, 2014, 05:01:15 pm
"It was a shocking thing to say and I knew it was a shocking thing to say. But no one has the right to live without being shocked. No one has the right to spend their life without being offended. Nobody has to read this book. Nobody has to pick it up. Nobody has to open it. And if you open it and read it, you don't have to like it. And if you read it and you dislike it, you don't have to remain silent about it. You can write to me, you can complain about it, you can write to the publisher, you can write to the papers, you can write your own book. You can do all those things, but there your rights stop. No one has the right to stop me writing this book. No one has the right to stop it being published, or bought, or sold or read. That's all I have to say on that subject."

I believe we have our manifesto.


Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: usrlocal on July 19, 2014, 05:39:06 pm
"It was a shocking thing to say and I knew it was a shocking thing to say. But no one has the right to live without being shocked. No one has the right to spend their life without being offended. Nobody has to read this book. Nobody has to pick it up. Nobody has to open it. And if you open it and read it, you don't have to like it. And if you read it and you dislike it, you don't have to remain silent about it. You can write to me, you can complain about it, you can write to the publisher, you can write to the papers, you can write your own book. You can do all those things, but there your rights stop. No one has the right to stop me writing this book. No one has the right to stop it being published, or bought, or sold or read. That's all I have to say on that subject."

I believe we have our manifesto.

Yup. I'm here for the long haul.


Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: The Grinch on July 20, 2014, 08:12:39 am

"It was a shocking thing to say and I knew it was a shocking thing to say. But no one has the right to live without being shocked. No one has the right to spend their life without being offended. Nobody has to read this book. Nobody has to pick it up. Nobody has to open it. And if you open it and read it, you don't have to like it. And if you read it and you dislike it, you don't have to remain silent about it. You can write to me, you can complain about it, you can write to the publisher, you can write to the papers, you can write your own book. You can do all those things, but there your rights stop. No one has the right to stop me writing this book. No one has the right to stop it being published, or bought, or sold or read. That's all I have to say on that subject."
[/quote]

Statements like this are utterly insensitive and socially irresponsible, and have no place in the 21st century.

I like it.  Count me in.  ;D


Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: billyboy on July 20, 2014, 11:05:33 am
I don't hate BGG. Its the protector of trolls and sockpuppets. It allows them to flower and flourish. Without BGG they'd be lost in world of kindness!  ;D


Title: Re: Hatin' on BGG
Post by: usrlocal on July 20, 2014, 11:27:23 am
I don't hate BGG. Its the protector of trolls and sockpuppets. It allows them to flower and flourish. Without BGG they'd be lost in world of kindness!  ;D

You're back!! Good!   :)