Not sure why I didn't think of that.
Maybe because most places I've been, they're considered the standard these days.

Well, that and the turn-based threw me off. Most of what I've played are more like
1st Person Shooters than anything else.
Meh, **** like Fallout 3 and Oblivious barely qualify as rpg's
I very much disagree about the original Fallout. The combat was hardly tactical and actually quite poor, what made Fallout rich was the C&C (choices and consequences), as well as the exploration and world building.
They feel more true to the genre to me than say the old Fallout or Baldur's Gate did.
Those felt like I was playing tactical games, rather than role playing ones.