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The worst and overrated wargames?

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« on: July 17, 2014, 11:40:44 am »

The idea here is to start a list of the worst or overrated wargames. Why they are what they are is the next post but for now a start on the list. Also I am not assigning a relative grade here just putting them on the list. In my opinion a game with horrible graphics is not as bad as a game with dysfunctional rules or one lacking in simulation value. Poor graphics can be a factor in making a game bad but not the sole factor in that determination. So as Enrico would say onto goring some sacred cows...

My Lists For Now (add your own)

Overrated - GMT's East Front Series, The Gamer's OCS series.

The Worst - MMP A Victory Denied, DG Storm Of Steel. Gamers Drive On Paris as someone has noted below.
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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2014, 12:28:13 pm »

The Gamer's OCS series.

You're dead to me!

Actually, I look forward to your post explaining why you think this is so. Then you'll be dead to me.  Wink
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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2014, 12:50:05 pm »

The idea here is to start a list of the worst or overrated wargames. Why they are what they are is the next post but for now a start on the list. Also I am not assigning a relative grade here just putting them on the list. In my opinion a game with horrible graphics is not as bad as a game with dysfunctional rules or one lacking in simulation value.

Chess.  Definitely overrated as a simulation; possibly worst.
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« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2014, 12:54:06 pm »

The Gamer's OCS series.

You're dead to me!

Actually, I look forward to your post explaining why you think this is so. Then you'll be dead to me.  Wink

That's how I feel. I've heard some objections to OCS, but to me it seems likely to be pretty close
to as well as the design can get - so I'd think that the criticism would be against the very core
of the design idea.
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« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2014, 03:37:40 pm »

I honestly do not think I have played a bad wargame.

The one I have enjoyed the least is Lee vs. Grant but I don't think it is a bad game. I solo'ed it and I think it would benefit a lot from having another player.
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« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2014, 03:51:14 pm »

I really like Lee vs. Grant.

I've played a lot of bad wargames, but I guess 'overrated' for me probably goes to
Paths of Glory. More a matter of personal taste than anything else though. Maybe
ASL deserves mention for the same reason. I don't think either is 'bad' though.
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« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2014, 04:00:12 pm »

I really like Lee vs. Grant.

I've played a lot of bad wargames, but I guess 'overrated' for me probably goes to
Paths of Glory. More a matter of personal taste than anything else though. Maybe
ASL deserves mention for the same reason. I don't think either is 'bad' though.

LvG gave me bad analysis paralysis. Like staring at the map for 10 minutes trying to figure out what to do bad. I think it was mostly the supply system and just the general openness of the scenario. I have only tried the campaign scenario and I think playing the short scenarios would help me figure out what to do. I couldn't figure out a strategy for either side.
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« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2014, 04:22:01 pm »

I was really bad at it opposed. Ended up letting the Union behind the confederate army.

It was very embarrassing.
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« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2014, 06:54:35 pm »

I will mention something positive about PoG.

I doubt I have felt such angst playing a game as I did with this one. The tension derived from the 6 cards max allowed per turn will eat at you. Eat ... at ..... you. Which is true for any game I have played that employs this mechanic as a matter of fact.

I understand the arguments against re: simulation, card decision impact, supply and whatnot. All of which push PoG slightly more towards the "GAME" side of the sliding GAME vs SIMULATION scale in my mind.

I don't care .... I have fun playing it. And that is what is important to me.    Tongue 

Side Note: Here I am coming to the defense of a game I have played all of three times .... LOL!
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« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2014, 06:58:33 pm »

LvG is a game that I have heard about for decades now ..... but have never played.

Wasn't it a forerunner to the GCACW series? Or are they unrelated?
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« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2014, 07:05:22 pm »



Side Note: Here I am coming to the defense of a game I have played all of three times .... LOL!

Lol - I do that fairly often with things.
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« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2014, 07:11:50 pm »

I gotta say that I was really disappointed with 'What Price Glory?', which was published in MMP Special Ops. For a WW1 game it sure didn't feel like WW1. Rules were a bit of a hash. Didn't buy the card combo mechanic. This is based in solo play, but I really felt some revulsion towards it.
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« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2014, 07:21:52 pm »

I gotta say that I was really disappointed with 'What Price Glory?',...

Well that is a pity. I was considering that one some time ago. I liked some of the images on BGG (I am soooooo shallow).

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Here is a game that might stir some controversy. I dislike The Napoleonic Wars. Yes..... that's right!

I have played it, umm, 3 or 4 times now. It just did not have the period feel I was looking for. There was, to some degree, a certain lack of fluidity to the flow of that game. This static nature had a WW1 quality to it! No doubt it had something to do with our play style or lack of experience, but there you go.

3 or 4 attempts is a lot for me on one game and if I am still not liking it, then it is just not for me.

And, yes, here I am complaining about TNW's lack of period feel when I just defended PoG, which is sometimes attacked for not being like WW1. All I can say to that is that while I found the one boring, the other I thought was exciting.
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« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2014, 07:24:03 pm »

I gotta say that I was really disappointed with 'What Price Glory?',...

Well that is a pity. I was considering that one some time ago. I liked some of the images on BGG (I am soooooo shallow).

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Here is a game that might stir some controversy. I dislike The Napoleonic Wars. Yes..... that's right!

I have played it, umm, 3 or 4 times now. It just did not have the period feel I was looking for. There was, to some degree, a certain lack of fluidity to the flow of that game. This static nature had a WW1 quality to it! No doubt it had something to do with our play style or lack of experience, but there you go.


I found that the number of players has a significant influence for me. I liked it in 5 (solo), but it was completely ahistorical in three (opposed) .
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« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2014, 07:48:31 pm »

The Worst - MMP A Victory Denied, DG Storm Of Steel.
It seems like there's a lot of people that don't like AVD.  I've always found it good for when I want something light and quick to play that still feels like a deep enough wargame.  Granted, A Victory Lost is much meatier, but I still enjoy AVD.
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